Comments on: Proposition 8, Homosexuality, and the Bible: An Excursus http://www.guerrillascholar.com/cogito/?p=78 The independent scholar's advocate and home of Guerrilla Scholarship Sun, 05 Sep 2010 00:48:59 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Artemis Eneldo http://www.guerrillascholar.com/cogito/?p=78&cpage=1#comment-17012 Artemis Eneldo Sat, 09 Jan 2010 06:11:37 +0000 http://www.guerrillascholar.com/cogito/?p=78#comment-17012 Check out the scholarly analysis at http://www.religioustolerance.org/ Old and New Testament say basically "don't be a pagan" and "don't participate in pagan sex worship practices." Paul is telling Christians in Rome not to participate in fertility cult pagan practices, that include same-sex relations, "against their nature." In other words he is telling HETEROSEXUAL Christians not to participate in pagan rights. Check out the scholarly analysis at

http://www.religioustolerance.org/

Old and New Testament say basically “don’t be a pagan” and “don’t participate in pagan sex worship practices.”

Paul is telling Christians in Rome not to participate in fertility cult pagan practices, that include same-sex relations, “against their nature.” In other words he is telling HETEROSEXUAL Christians not to participate in pagan rights.

]]> By: TrueBlueMajority http://www.guerrillascholar.com/cogito/?p=78&cpage=1#comment-16675 TrueBlueMajority Mon, 03 Aug 2009 12:28:08 +0000 http://www.guerrillascholar.com/cogito/?p=78#comment-16675 many thanks to whoever linked to this from HuffPo. I am writing something similar right now and this article was very helpful. many thanks to whoever linked to this from HuffPo. I am writing something similar right now and this article was very helpful.

]]> By: Jason http://www.guerrillascholar.com/cogito/?p=78&cpage=1#comment-16013 Jason Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:19:59 +0000 http://www.guerrillascholar.com/cogito/?p=78#comment-16013 Thank you very much for your clarification of Leviticus. It never ceases to amaze me how badly the bible has been translated over the millennia and how much clarity would be brought to the world if someone would just do a solid literal translation. As per that, you might be interested to know that, in 1 Corinthians at least, there are some translation issues as well. The word used (arsenokoitai) is not a common word in Koine Greek and, where it does occur, it seems to suggest a male prostitute rather than simply a homosexual. Which matches with the prostitutes and adulterers earlier in the sentence. Of course, there's a whole other branch of textual criticism devoted to determining how much of his corpus Paul actually wrote and how much was added by the increasingly closed-minded orthodoxy later on... but that's way to large an argument for tonight. Peace. Thank you very much for your clarification of Leviticus. It never ceases to amaze me how badly the bible has been translated over the millennia and how much clarity would be brought to the world if someone would just do a solid literal translation. As per that, you might be interested to know that, in 1 Corinthians at least, there are some translation issues as well. The word used (arsenokoitai) is not a common word in Koine Greek and, where it does occur, it seems to suggest a male prostitute rather than simply a homosexual. Which matches with the prostitutes and adulterers earlier in the sentence. Of course, there’s a whole other branch of textual criticism devoted to determining how much of his corpus Paul actually wrote and how much was added by the increasingly closed-minded orthodoxy later on… but that’s way to large an argument for tonight.

Peace.

]]> By: Sheldon http://www.guerrillascholar.com/cogito/?p=78&cpage=1#comment-15816 Sheldon Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:15:06 +0000 http://www.guerrillascholar.com/cogito/?p=78#comment-15816 I dare you to make less sense. I dare you to make less sense.

]]> By: Laura http://www.guerrillascholar.com/cogito/?p=78&cpage=1#comment-15813 Laura Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:44:19 +0000 http://www.guerrillascholar.com/cogito/?p=78#comment-15813 Regarding your analysis of the Leviticus 18. Bearing in mind that this follows chapters that speak of regulations for a man with a discharge, for anyone made unclean by an emission of semen, for a woman during her monthly time, for a man who lies with a woman that isn't circumsized, for cure of infectous disease, cleaning from mildew, for which a part of the cleansing is to bring 2 doves, who had nothing to do with any of it, for sacrifice and a burnt offering. Leviticus 18's message was all about who you can and can not get jiggy with and one of the no, no's was "do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman, that is detestable. After listing all these no no's "God" goes on to say do not defile yourselves like those you lived with in Egypt when you get to Canann fro that is how the nations I am going to drive out before you became defiled, even the land became defiled! So I punished it for it's sin and it vomited out it's inhabitants. So my point here is it doesn't matter if you want to lay the vomiting the people out on God or on The Holy Land, if the holy land were able to make these desitions on it's own, it's reason would still be because it is "holy" thereby following the feelings of God. If the Holy Land says it's no good, then it gets that from God. But, God also said we had the freedom to choose and not to kill and to love of neighbors as we love ourselves and then in Leviticus Moses nephews were killed for not getting their offering authorized properly, as they held their offerings up to the Great, loving God, he burned them alived. and God went on to tell how easily it is to be killed for any little indescretion, and he gives Moses instruction for his brother Aaron not to just come whenever he likes to the temple, behind the curtain, in frony of the atonment cover, on the ark or else he will die. So I don't really care what the sinful wrathful hipocrytical God likes or doesn't like. These are clearly the writings of men trying to dictate and control the masses with fear. People only get stupid enough to accept these biblical rantings as the word of God, indesputable and still even buy into the falisy that this is a loving God, because they are afraid to question it. Regarding your analysis of the Leviticus 18. Bearing in mind that this follows chapters that speak of regulations for a man with a discharge, for anyone made unclean by an emission of semen, for a woman during her monthly time, for a man who lies with a woman that isn’t circumsized, for cure of infectous disease, cleaning from mildew, for which a part of the cleansing is to bring 2 doves, who had nothing to do with any of it, for sacrifice and a burnt offering. Leviticus 18’s message was all about who you can and can not get jiggy with and one of the no, no’s was “do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman, that is detestable. After listing all these no no’s “God” goes on to say do not defile yourselves like those you lived with in Egypt when you get to Canann fro that is how the nations I am going to drive out before you became defiled, even the land became defiled! So I punished it for it’s sin and it vomited out it’s inhabitants. So my point here is it doesn’t matter if you want to lay the vomiting the people out on God or on The Holy Land, if the holy land were able to make these desitions on it’s own, it’s reason would still be because it is “holy” thereby following the feelings of God. If the Holy Land says it’s no good, then it gets that from God. But, God also said we had the freedom to choose and not to kill and to love of neighbors as we love ourselves and then in Leviticus Moses nephews were killed for not getting their offering authorized properly, as they held their offerings up to the Great, loving God, he burned them alived. and God went on to tell how easily it is to be killed for any little indescretion, and he gives Moses instruction for his brother Aaron not to just come whenever he likes to the temple, behind the curtain, in frony of the atonment cover, on the ark or else he will die. So I don’t really care what the sinful wrathful hipocrytical God likes or doesn’t like. These are clearly the writings of men trying to dictate and control the masses with fear. People only get stupid enough to accept these biblical rantings as the word of God, indesputable and still even buy into the falisy that this is a loving God, because they are afraid to question it.

]]> By: Eleanor Rieffel http://www.guerrillascholar.com/cogito/?p=78&cpage=1#comment-15795 Eleanor Rieffel Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:22:47 +0000 http://www.guerrillascholar.com/cogito/?p=78#comment-15795 Your readers might be interested in a "No on 8" video a minister friend of mine put together with the council of churches: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nABTE3x-o4k Your readers might be interested in a “No on 8″ video a minister friend of mine put together with the council of churches:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nABTE3x-o4k

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